Well, clearly you are educated and sophisticated people. But your comment does make me wonder, again, how many of your typical college-educated people walking the streets today have ever heard of Beckett (or even Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole!), much less thought of him immediately, as you & your husband & I did. Not many, I would guess.
I am virtually certain that Betty's Baptist-preacher grandfather never heard of Beckett, and it would not surprise me at all if neither of her Baptist preacher uncles — who were both associated with Bible colleges (one middling and the other decidedly podunk, but still. . .) — had heard of him either.
In light of today’s political climate, bringing to the minds of the groundlings the political assassination of Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Beckett might not have been a good idea. They are evil enough without giving them a historical precedent, especially without focusing on Henry II’s subsequent barefoot religious pilgrimage to Canterbury to express His appalled sorrow that His friend of many years was murdered at the alter held most sacred in His realm. He didn’t realise that His knights would act upon His cursing at Thomas’ inconvenient, newfound holiness.
I get your point, but I'm highly confident that the goundlings, so-called, who might be inspired to recapitulate the Becket assassination are never going to encounter my substack, much less read it, whereas they're getting all the guidance in that direction they might require, if they're so inclined, from Trump himself, not to mention the Hannity's, Ingram's et all on Fox News.
Gotta agree with you Johnny. Not a Malcolm chickens coming home to roost kinda comparison and I'm sure Trump and the Bishop didn't ever go wenching together. Your Substack post compelled me to go find my copy of Anouilh's play, which I probably first read in my high school French class and then again with Frank Hamlin. No adjective like "nettlesome" or "meddlesome" in the play. Just: who's going to get rid of this pain in my ass?
Here's the passage from Act IV:
Personne ne me délivrera donc de lui? Un prêtre! Un prêtre qui me nargue et me fait injure! Il n'y a donc que des lâches; comme moi, autour de moi? Il n'y a donc plus un homme, en Angleterre?
I had forgotten all about Prof. Hamlin, and now I'm trying to remember the name of the guy who taught the 8 AM class on 19th century french novels in the building next to Soper Commons. But anyway thanks for commenting, and thanks especially for typing up the words from the play, which are, indeed very interesting. His '[il] me fait injure!' reminds me of the scene in Rain Man (Dustin Hoffman in the title role). The brother Charlie (Tom Cruise) lightly touches his arm, wherupon Rain Man takes out his little spiral notebook and writes the date & time and the notation "Charlie assaulted me and caused grievous bodily harm" (or something like that).
i loled at "Christian flying monkeys"
As soon as we heard Bishop Budde speak my husband and I thought of Becket.
Well, clearly you are educated and sophisticated people. But your comment does make me wonder, again, how many of your typical college-educated people walking the streets today have ever heard of Beckett (or even Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole!), much less thought of him immediately, as you & your husband & I did. Not many, I would guess.
I am virtually certain that Betty's Baptist-preacher grandfather never heard of Beckett, and it would not surprise me at all if neither of her Baptist preacher uncles — who were both associated with Bible colleges (one middling and the other decidedly podunk, but still. . .) — had heard of him either.
In light of today’s political climate, bringing to the minds of the groundlings the political assassination of Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Beckett might not have been a good idea. They are evil enough without giving them a historical precedent, especially without focusing on Henry II’s subsequent barefoot religious pilgrimage to Canterbury to express His appalled sorrow that His friend of many years was murdered at the alter held most sacred in His realm. He didn’t realise that His knights would act upon His cursing at Thomas’ inconvenient, newfound holiness.
I get your point, but I'm highly confident that the goundlings, so-called, who might be inspired to recapitulate the Becket assassination are never going to encounter my substack, much less read it, whereas they're getting all the guidance in that direction they might require, if they're so inclined, from Trump himself, not to mention the Hannity's, Ingram's et all on Fox News.
Gotta agree with you Johnny. Not a Malcolm chickens coming home to roost kinda comparison and I'm sure Trump and the Bishop didn't ever go wenching together. Your Substack post compelled me to go find my copy of Anouilh's play, which I probably first read in my high school French class and then again with Frank Hamlin. No adjective like "nettlesome" or "meddlesome" in the play. Just: who's going to get rid of this pain in my ass?
Here's the passage from Act IV:
Personne ne me délivrera donc de lui? Un prêtre! Un prêtre qui me nargue et me fait injure! Il n'y a donc que des lâches; comme moi, autour de moi? Il n'y a donc plus un homme, en Angleterre?
David! Hello!
I had forgotten all about Prof. Hamlin, and now I'm trying to remember the name of the guy who taught the 8 AM class on 19th century french novels in the building next to Soper Commons. But anyway thanks for commenting, and thanks especially for typing up the words from the play, which are, indeed very interesting. His '[il] me fait injure!' reminds me of the scene in Rain Man (Dustin Hoffman in the title role). The brother Charlie (Tom Cruise) lightly touches his arm, wherupon Rain Man takes out his little spiral notebook and writes the date & time and the notation "Charlie assaulted me and caused grievous bodily harm" (or something like that).
Rouben Cholakian (and his lovely wife Mme. Cholakian)?
Yes, I believe you are correct. And I see that I am not the only young undergrad who noticed the lovely Mme. Cholakian! Nom de Dieu!
"Fundie Baby" voice, or as I think of it, "Sparklemotion" voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouFnQTq6gNQ